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rosebud 02-28-2008 @ 4:25 PM Reply to this Discussion   Edit This Message   Delete This Message.
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Did anyone see Jack VanNipey's (spelling forgive me)topic about December 21, 2012?  If so what do you think?

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Hey Rose, just noticed this particular post.
This happens to be one of my favorite subjects,
and so I had to watch Jack vanImpe's clip on
youtube. I'm assuming this is what you meant.
For many moons now, it has been assumed by
many that you can some how come up with an
EXACT time, or even a close approximation of
the 2nd coming, and/or the rapture. I used to
do this. I was a Hal Lindsey student, so to
speak. He used to be the main authority, but
after a few inaccuracies, I got away from the
prediction idea altogether. I do have a few
views, which I probably mentioned before. The
first is that the rapture is "mid trib". For
those who think it's "post" or "pre" trib,
the following scriptures will be meaningless,

REV 7:9    
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed    
with white robes, and palms in their hands;
REV 7:10
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
REV 7:11
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
REV 7:12
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
REV 7:13
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes?  and whence came they?
REV 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest.  And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
REV 7:15
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

In my opinion, this has to be the rapture.
If you want to try to disprove this, please
do some basic homework first. On the Jack
vanImpe youtube, I noticed that he assumed
the date of Dec 25 2012, then manipulated
some data to try to make it fit. This is an
unfortunate typical logic flow, which most
likely started with Usher way back when.
His assumptions have led many astray.
There was another character who decided to
count 911 chapters, after the 911 incident,
and then spend a huge amount of time trying
to make something of the 911th chapter in the
Old Testament. It was an unimpressive effort,
but he still let everyone know of his great
discovery, which was NOTHING.

On the subject of 12-21-12, (not 12-25), I
think there is significance. One very weird
point of this comes from Terence McKenna's
translation of the ancient Chinese manuscript
called the "I CHING".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching

The single most interesting thing is that this
manuscript interpretation ALSO points to the end
of a huge cycle as 12-21-12. These indentical
dates have come from 2 totally separate sources,
which is enough to make the subject very worthy
of study. I don't spend much time in these things
myself, because God is doing a whole lot with me,
thus my life is pretty well occupied already.
Dave




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